On the debut episode of the Nieman Storyboard podcast, host and Storyboard editor Mark Armstrong sits down with acclaimed journalist and author Erika Hayasaki, for an in-depth conversation about trauma-informed reporting, questions of "telling a story versus taking a story," and when it makes sense for journalists to include their own stories in their work.
Hayasaki has written for The New York Times, The Atlantic, Wired, New York magazine, and many other publications, and she's a professor at UC Irvine in the Literary Journalism program. She's the author of two books, The Death Class: A True Story About Life (2014), and Somewhere Sisters: A Story of Adoption, Identity, and the Meaning of Family (2022).
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Hayasaki also has a newsletter, The Reported Essay, which features invaluable advice and interviews on crafting narrative nonfiction. She named her newsletter "The Reported Essay" to make a case for rethinking the definition of narrative journalism, to make room for reporting that is also informed by personal experience. "If people were able to learn these tools and understand it, but also bring their own perspectives, like as somebody from the community, and do more of that kind of reporting, merging of the reporting and the written, first-person [essay], [then] we could have all the more powerful stories."
Armstrong and Hayasaki also discuss her series of stories about the devastating Maui wildfires. Her New York magazine piece, "Maui on Fire," was just selected for The Best American Science and Nature Writing anthology guest-edited by Susan Orlean.
(Excerpts below are edited for length and clarity.)
Erika Hayasaki on telling stories in the aftermath of tragedy:
Stories continue, people's lives continue, it continues to be hard months, years, many years after. Coming away from being a newspaper reporter, that's something that I've also really learned to recognize — the long tail of a tragedy or any kind of story. Time changes a lot of the events within the story, and people's lives change, and those can be also rich for storytelling in terms of “how do you really come to understand the aftermath of a tragedy and the people who are most affected by it?” Sometimes it's the people who are the most vulnerable in society who are affected by these things, and they are the most often forgotten and left behind.
On 'telling a story' vs. 'taking a story'
What do you do when you're thrown into the worst moment of somebody's life, right in the aftermath? When you're [working] in news, it's right on the day it's happening, and you're knocking on the door, and that's the job.
I didn't love that, but I did it because that was the job that I got a degree to do. And so I didn't know any better. And then when you do these longer-form pieces or features, when are you taking a story instead of telling a story? When are you being extractive and exploitive versus humanizing, and bringing them in, and giving them a bit of agency in this process? I think that that was not ever something that we talked about giving to people we write about: agency in the storytelling. We were taught to be the people who control the narrative we're telling, in a way. But I always thought, well, it's their lives that have happened, that we're telling the story of their lives and what happened to them.
So it just felt imbalanced to me, but I didn't have language to articulate that, and really, for many years, nobody that I could have these kind of nuanced conversations about this with.
On elevating the 'reported essay' in narrative nonfiction
I want to name [this] kind of reporting, and celebrate it and bring it into the conversations of traditional narrative journalism. … We have had this power dynamic within media where we are the ones who can come in and take a story from a person or a place and feel like we have, like, the ownership over it all. That's been the sort of traditional framework of media. "We are the reporters; we know best."
So much of what we've come to understand literary journalism to be — I think that so much of that work is valuable. But I also think some of it has been historically exploitive. And I also think that if people were able to learn these tools and understand it, but also bring their own perspectives, like as somebody from the community, and do more of that kind of reporting, merging of the reporting and the written, first-person [essay], [then] we could have all the more powerful stories.
Links, stories, and books mentioned
- Longreads
- Ursa Story Company
- The Reported Essay (Erika Hayasaki’s newsletter)
- "Becoming Trauma Informed" (Erika Hayasaki, 2024)
- “The Place Where I Grew Up Is Gone” (Nancy Walecki, The Atlantic, January 2025)
- "How a freelancer’s story instincts landed a piece in The New York Times" (Kim Cross, Nieman Storyboard, 2024)
- “A Merciless Sun” (Erika Hayasaki, Men’s Health, August 2024)
- “Her Community Burned in the Maui Fires. Now She’s Helping the Island Heal.” (Erika Hayasaki, ELLE, August 2024)
- “She Survived the Maui Wildfires. She Couldn’t Survive the Year After.” (Erika Hayasaki, The New York Times, August 2024)
- “For Maui wildfire survivors who moved to Las Vegas, another climate disaster awaits: extreme heat” (Erika Hayasaki, The Guardian, August 2024)
- “Maui on Fire: When the wildfires came, a young couple turned toward each other to survive Hawaii’s deadliest natural disaster.” (Erika Hayasaki, The Cut. January 2024)
- “A deadly hush in Room 211 -- then the killer returned” (Erika Hayasaki, Los Angeles Times, April 2007)
- “Amazon’s Great Labor Awakening” (Erika Hayasaki, The New York Times, February 2021)
- “How Motherhood Affects Creativity” (Erika Hayasaki, The Atlantic, September 2017)
- “Why America’s Black Mothers and Babies Are in a Life-or-Death Crisis” (Linda Villarosa, The New York Times, April 2018)
Books by Erika Hayasaki
Show Credits
Hosted and produced by Mark Armstrong
Associate producer: Marina Leigh
Episode editor: Kelly Araja
Audience editor: Adriana Lacy
Promotional support: Ellen Tuttle
Operational support: Paul Plutnicki, Peter Canova
Nieman Foundation curator: Ann Marie Lipinski
Deputy curator: Henry Chu
Music: “Golden Grass,” by Blue Dot Sessions (www.sessions.blue)
Cover design by Adriana Lacy
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